tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post8289447617169176468..comments2023-10-28T00:51:22.112-07:00Comments on MiKael's Mania - Arabian Horses: Daffodil................Morning SchoolingRising Rainbowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04239592070775412669noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-47051484402803045042010-05-12T17:09:51.612-07:002010-05-12T17:09:51.612-07:00SMR, I'm totally with you on the UGHHHH!
Nuzz...SMR, I'm totally with you on the UGHHHH!<br /><br />NuzzMuzz, that doesn't sound like a good experience at all. I think that is one of the problems that happens with many volunteers. They aren't shown how to do the job properly, everyone just assumes they'll know and then it turns out to be a bad experience. I'm sorry that happened to you......and you're right about why those shows end up without volunteers. If you don't treat them well, they quit. Sooner or later you run out of them.<br /><br />Terri, I would probably say duct tape too. I've never used it but know others who do with horses who won't keep their fly masks on. <br /><br />CNJ, I guess you're right about cheap labor but there are those trainers who treat their grooms literally like slaves. I have seen that including last year at nationals and the young woman who bought a horse from me and took it to BNT had a similiar experience. She was treated with no regard for dignity, quite literally like a slave. <br /><br />It wasn't my experience however. I usually use "slave labor" in a tongue in check kind of way when talking about my experience. It's really hard work with little pay. That's for sure.<br /><br />Certainly this situation arose because show management dropped the ball in some manner. These grooms wouldn't have been doing this had they known there might be consequences. I have no doubt of that. There were even a couple of people doing the lunging that I recognized as being around the industry long enough to know better. That was a dead giveaway that management was not following through.<br /><br />I've not been to WestWorld yet but I've heard plenty about the facility. I think it's great you help out with shows there. I'd love to work on some of the bigger shows sometime but I think it takes connections to be asked.<br /><br />You are so right about USEF. Had I been on the show committe I would have definitely played that card. I have no problem going down that road. It just wasn't my card to play.<br /><br />I have come close as a show manager but usually all it takes is a warning. With others just letting them know I am the show manager has changed their interaction with me so no threat was needed.Rising Rainbowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04239592070775412669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-2711522554478008532010-05-12T15:58:10.157-07:002010-05-12T15:58:10.157-07:00Mikael- I am right there with you on all of it.
I...Mikael- I am right there with you on all of it.<br /><br />I had spent a number of years as a groom. I never thought of it as slave labor. At least not back then, but cheap labor- yeah. Under appreciated, you bet. We knew better than to break any of the rules because the barns got penalized in some way shape or form. Now there just doesn't seem to be any accountability. Why is that?<br /><br />At Westworld there is plenty of room for lunging in the Equidome, but it is clearly stated that horses being ridden take precedence over lunging. This seems to be the rule of thumb at all shows held there. <br /><br />At the Scottsdale show in '05, it rained and poured to the extend of them closing arenas. When an arena was opened for warm up, it was announced repeatedly "ARENA ___ IS NOW OPEN FOR WARM UP. NO LUNGING IN THIS ARENA." <br /><br />Just this last February as I worked the jump crew and delivered the schooling jumps to the warm up arena I was met with a crowd of people standing around in the center of the arena, buckets, stools, saddles, carts- whatever needed, was scattered from Hell to breakfast. There was no way anyone could have lunged a horse in there if they had wanted to. I have no idea when this became the latest trend, but it needs to be addressed as well. Had anyone gotten into trouble with their horse- there was nowhere to do anything about it. Riding along the rail was a game of chicken all the way around. <br /><br />And being on the jump crew- I was staff. Yet when I asked for the one end of the arena to be cleared, I was called a Bitch for my efforts. I do remember what the guy looks like and if our paths ever cross again, he is going to hear about it, if not find himself fined and reprimanded by USEF...Cut-N-Jumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03603347619547454296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-42362652824037782412010-05-12T15:00:04.539-07:002010-05-12T15:00:04.539-07:00Haven't read latest posting but I will. Bigger...Haven't read latest posting but I will. Bigger fish to fry.<br />I think u could end up being my go to girl for equine advice. We seem to share many of the same beliefs when it comes to horses. Mainly, it's all about the horse.<br />Maggie,bald face girl has cateract on one eye. Her white face just intensifies the Texas sun glare. Have had her to specialist last year to get this diagnoses, only to learn there is nothing much to be done. Put her in dark fly mask, this was the best advice they could give.<br />When the eye becomes inflamed I do have a steroid based ointment. Eye clears as long as it stays medicated. Found her this morning with head deep in corner of shelter, a sure sign the eye is becoming sensitive. We live in the middle of hay field not alot of trees. <br />Keeping in her in a mask is like keeping me in a bra. She is a devil when it comes to keeping anything on her, tail wraps, boot bells,AND fly masks. My vet says use Duct tape. Really?<br />I was hoping u might have a better trick or maybe one of ur readers. Any advice? Thanks RR!Terrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00457866950481527031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-77950881455239342010-05-12T12:56:48.788-07:002010-05-12T12:56:48.788-07:00Wisonc, I do know which barns these people were fr...Wisonc, I do know which barns these people were from but as for fines, the only way to do that is it must be listed in the prize list that fines will be levied which was not the case......but it's a good thought.<br /><br />Paint Girl, well I know from experience one or two will try to sneak in but that's usually throughout the show not all at one time on a Sunday morning. You saw people with lunge lines walking horses in there because they were pretty much lunging whenever they thought they could get away with it.<br /><br />As for slave labor, I've done my time with that so that's how I know. It was worth it to me for what I learned but I don't think I could do it today. It was and is grulling and mostly thankless work. <br /><br />AAL, I suspect you are right about the trainers although I know that one of the farms represented has Daffodil officers as part of the clientele. I'm pretty sure that person would not be happy if the trainer were condoning such behavior.<br /><br />Also I agree they will continue as long as there are not consequences for their behavior. I suspect after this experience some things will change about how management deals with such issues. I know it's important to them to make the show experience a good one for all exhibitors.Rising Rainbowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04239592070775412669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-50062740473822491332010-05-12T12:49:33.874-07:002010-05-12T12:49:33.874-07:00The first show that I volunteered for was a disast...The first show that I volunteered for was a disaster. I knew nothing about shows, and the lady who was training me took off, leaving me to guess at which ribbons and trophies should be handed out for which classes. I had to rely on the participants to tell me. Some were not very nice and yelled at me, because I handed them the wrong award. I felt like I was getting yelled at left and right, and never volunteered again. They actually stopped doing those horse shows, because they couldn't get enough volunteers. I wonder why.Nuzzling Muzzleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07649710635013663900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-70775121782951058902010-05-12T11:49:57.094-07:002010-05-12T11:49:57.094-07:00Wow. You've seldom had this problem before??? ...Wow. You've seldom had this problem before??? <br /><br />All the time when I show. The nice thing about USEF and USDF rules for dressage is that the designated warm up area for dressage is SPECIFICALLY PROTECTED by USEF rule, and enforced by the USDF and USEF stewards. I can't tell you how many times I've had to tell grooms that - if they didnt' remove their lunging horse, I would call the steward and have them removed.<br /><br />In addition, since its a designated dressage ring, most stewards take the approach that if you're in it, you're under the dressage rules - which means you must have an show number attached to the horse or handler to be in the ring. That allows them to link grooms, handlers, trainers, to an entry number for discipline. Another good way to throw the grooms out.<br /><br />But as for the other arenas? Good luck. There's not hard fast rule, and grooms typically don't care - my favorite is youth riders being schooled by trainers while a hot and crazy horse is being lunged next to them. Accident waiting to happen, imho.Enginerdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16429671685652482485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-43704713549013144272010-05-11T22:52:05.245-07:002010-05-11T22:52:05.245-07:00Those kinds of people can be so annoying and i kno...Those kinds of people can be so annoying and i know how frustrating it is to have to work around such people. Ughhhhh!<br />You and your pony look great!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-21539569481515039642010-05-11T22:48:13.946-07:002010-05-11T22:48:13.946-07:00I like wilsonc's idea, get the names of the ba...I like wilsonc's idea, get the names of the barns where the horses are trained, and fine the barn, because its my guess the grooms were probably told by the trainer to lunge the horses in the show arena, so they would get used to and be more comfortable in the arena.<br /><br />It makes me so mad when people ignore the rules, and you just wish that something could be done to make them realise they can't do that, and until there is a consequence to their flouting of the rules they will keep ignoring them and doing what they want. It just stinks!<br /><br />Just my opinion :-)<br /><br />Karren from AustraliaAussieArabianLoverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18125827376639806609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-72139885072416446492010-05-11T21:13:36.481-07:002010-05-11T21:13:36.481-07:00I can't believe that there were people lunging...I can't believe that there were people lunging in the show arena. I thought I saw someone lunging in there, or maybe they were walking out with their horse on a lunge line. I always abide by the rules. It's unfortunate that so many people do not. Apparently those grooms thought that because it was early morning, that no one would notice, well, I am glad you did notice and that you said something.<br /><br />You are so right that grooms are slave labor for big barns. I work as a groom for a big barn, and I work my butt off, literally. By the end of the shows, I can barely move. It is hard, hard, hard work.Paint Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05095673661149903754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-10898310428430689712010-05-11T19:38:06.990-07:002010-05-11T19:38:06.990-07:00Hmmm...I say kick butt and take names...fine them....Hmmm...I say kick butt and take names...fine them...and make it a big one.wilsonchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18085470527006328839noreply@blogger.com