tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post6076988225754793631..comments2023-10-28T00:51:22.112-07:00Comments on MiKael's Mania - Arabian Horses: Different Kind of Journey - an Attempt to Intercede and a Final PaymentRising Rainbowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04239592070775412669noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-55620181487509896362011-01-18T17:14:45.677-08:002011-01-18T17:14:45.677-08:00Gosh I really feel for you in this situation. It m...Gosh I really feel for you in this situation. It must be so frustrating to know the horse is not with an ideal owner as well.sallyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14472781841288909994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-83526595741663162842011-01-18T09:46:35.246-08:002011-01-18T09:46:35.246-08:00Linda, yupe, there's that hindsight thing agai...Linda, yupe, there's that hindsight thing again. Unfortunately as the next story will show, I forgot about this stuff and it came back to bite me again which just goes to show just putting the past behind you is not a good thing. It's important to learn from what's happened. That can't really be done unless you want to deal with what happened instead of just putting it in the past.<br /><br /><br />OBP, you are so right and hopefully I have learned my lesson. However, as I've already mentioned I sure didn't learn it after this incident. While I didn't forget what YW did, I never really saw the signs that could have been used to keep me out of this mess in the first place. If I had it to do over, I just would not do business with YW. I thought I had covered in writing those things that counted. Now I know better.<br /><br />There are things about the two stories that are different and things the same. As I've gone through this process of writing, I've discovered some of those things. I'm sure as I write the next story more will come to mind. Hopefully, in the long run I will have learned all I need to about such situations so I don't get burned again.<br /><br />Still, I must say that urge to trust a friend is hard to ignore.Rising Rainbowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04239592070775412669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-22121256065629859492011-01-18T09:28:39.713-08:002011-01-18T09:28:39.713-08:00Contracts are the worlds best friend. Include ever...Contracts are the worlds best friend. Include everything and anyhing you can think of and cover you a$$. Because that's where it bites you and where most men keep their wallets! lol<br /><br />Sucks how things turned out so far. For those who don't know and have been misguided by previous trainers, I think they tend to jump a bit more quickly to defend their recent choice in desperate hopes it has Not happened again. Fool me once, fool me twice... <br /><br />For future reference and I'm sure you know this now- I would have just asked the S/O to have the woman call me and set up a time to meet later. Away from the barn, the show, YW and everyone else involved. Have a friendly chat over coffee or something. If she fails to do so- you know where you stand and how to proceed from there. If YW shows up tagging along, things obviously need to be handled differently then...One Bad Pixiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04139395145674594659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-68789762707864028302011-01-18T09:10:50.153-08:002011-01-18T09:10:50.153-08:00It sounds like (with YW) everything would have to ...It sounds like (with YW) everything would have to be written down in order to protect yourself--fees, finder fees, training fees, expectations, boarding--everything, except breathing. But then again, when you're dealing with a dishonest person, it's almost impossible to cover everything. In my situation with a friend--I vouched for her to the trainer (another of my friends)--because she was recommended by me, my trainer friend didn't have her put the 50 % down payment or sign a contract--long story, but it went bad.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14303523299217618526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-26327678037952252852011-01-18T08:56:32.105-08:002011-01-18T08:56:32.105-08:00Linda, I'm not sure what you're thinking s...Linda, I'm not sure what you're thinking should have been written down. I did have a written sale on the horse. It didn't make reference to any form of commision. After this experience it sure will in the future.Rising Rainbowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04239592070775412669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-88314327261450620472011-01-18T08:25:40.290-08:002011-01-18T08:25:40.290-08:00Eek--this is why dealings with friends get so stic...Eek--this is why dealings with friends get so sticky--we don't always write stuff down. There's that saying, fences make good neighbors, locks keep people honest, and I think, written contracts are up there with those two, too. But with friends and family, we often skip that part--this is a lesson to us--we shouldn't. :(Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14303523299217618526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-34754711698215147032011-01-17T23:26:41.947-08:002011-01-17T23:26:41.947-08:00Arlene, this situation is one of the reasons I did...Arlene, this situation is one of the reasons I did an early post called <a href="http://risingrainbow.blogspot.com/2007/02/are-you-good-advocate-for-your-horse.html" rel="nofollow">Are You a Good Advocate for Your Horse? </a> I was so frustrated over the fact at least one of these horses could have been protected had the owner just opened her eyes and listened instead of immediately jumping to the defense of the trainer. Even when I posted about what the western trainer did to Legs, his clients were jumping in to protect him instead of trying to see if maybe there was some valid information there. Blind trust is dangerous, if you ask me. It's so sad.<br /><br />FV, you're right the owner isn't what you'd call a horsewoman. And I share your feelings about YW as well. The nerve she had to totally disregard the mare's well being, not do the work and still ask for a fee says a lot as to what type of person she is.<br /><br />Crystal, I will always regret both of those sales and I'm sure hoping in the future I have better skills to determine if someone really knows what it takes to be a good horse trainer. I really should have seen this ahead of time.Rising Rainbowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04239592070775412669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-17116950399407757432011-01-17T20:32:54.954-08:002011-01-17T20:32:54.954-08:00aww I feel bad for those two horses that have ende...aww I feel bad for those two horses that have ended up with her. I do agree though there are many poeple who just dont know the difference in teaching a horse and forcing one. Very sad indeed.Crystalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18035210092855895218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-90966120420502467482011-01-17T19:36:07.578-08:002011-01-17T19:36:07.578-08:00What a mess! The owner of the horse is clearly NOT...What a mess! The owner of the horse is clearly NOT a horsewoman by any measure, or she would have seen at least some of what you told her sig other!As for Vee I totally understand why you swallowed your ire and let that go for the moment, but it tells far more about YW that she would even DARE after letting the mare sit in such squallor ,knowing full well that she did absolutley nothing to follow through on what you asked and then still have the sheer gall to ask for a fee!!!!Sherry Sikstromhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15739108723318002627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-50034759434940786672011-01-17T18:58:07.488-08:002011-01-17T18:58:07.488-08:00The plot thickens. Even though you tried to do the...The plot thickens. Even though you tried to do the right thing by the horses and people involved no one wanted to listen to reason. I've seen so many bad trainers with horse owners following them around like they were rock stars. Standing up for them whether they're right or wrong. It's sad for these sheep who are being sheared and having the wool pulled over their eyes, but mostly it's a bad situation all around for the poor horses.Grey Horse Mattershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05837575441967937196noreply@blogger.com