tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post5497218029150703758..comments2023-10-28T00:51:22.112-07:00Comments on MiKael's Mania - Arabian Horses: Odds and Ends about Showing Arabian Western HorsesRising Rainbowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04239592070775412669noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-22789111002315118292008-03-07T15:08:00.000-08:002008-03-07T15:08:00.000-08:00really interesting! thanks for the info :-)really interesting! thanks for the info :-)jmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04295140724737185132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-78762835358968455172008-03-06T23:43:00.000-08:002008-03-06T23:43:00.000-08:00inkeq, he is definitely a horse who likes to work....inkeq, he is definitely a horse who likes to work. <BR/><BR/>grey horse matters, I'm pretty sure there will always be something to learn when it comes to horses. There is just so much I don't think anyone can learn it all. lol<BR/><BR/>midlife mom, I have a couple of internet friends who breed minis, you might even see them at the show.<BR/><BR/><BR/>asthmagirl, the big deal about the change is that the pressure changes for the horse. In the snaffle it is on corners of the mouth and the curb puts pressure on the pole, the bars and the chin. That's a big increase in pressure and can cause some horses to become claustrophobic.<BR/><BR/>twinville, unfortunately many of the extensive rules are directly related to human being taking shortcuts at the expense of the horse. What started out as simple guidelines has grown into a huge book that is updated every year.<BR/><BR/><BR/>holly, that might be a finished bridle horse for that discipline. I am not familiar with all of the different breeds and their specs.<BR/><BR/>I'll have to see if I can find a video of a finished Arabian western pleasure horse. I know there must be some posted.Rising Rainbowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04239592070775412669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-46096358159390914562008-03-06T22:00:00.000-08:002008-03-06T22:00:00.000-08:00bits are incredibly interesting. Would this be a f...bits are incredibly interesting. Would this be a finished bridle horse?<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc9UWcnyi8s&feature=relatedHollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17685436243608973979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-10014144325482951472008-03-06T21:45:00.000-08:002008-03-06T21:45:00.000-08:00I don't know if I will ever show my horse, but I f...I don't know if I will ever show my horse, but I found your post very interesting...and a bit overwhelming, too.<BR/>There seem to be so many rules in shows, but I often wonder why there are so many and what are the reasons behind them.<BR/><BR/>And the subject of bit types is also fascinating, too.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for sharing on these topics.Laughing Orca Ranchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03562627840013868980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-72961873540672574512008-03-06T18:41:00.000-08:002008-03-06T18:41:00.000-08:00Thanks for answering my questions. It did help to ...Thanks for answering my questions. It did help to clear things up. I was kind of assuming that whatever was involved in moving to the bridle was a big step, but didn't know why. <BR/><BR/>I don't ride anymore, and haven't for years, so I'm obviously vague on some of the finer points! Thanks again for helping my to follow your story!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-22232294323206942692008-03-06T17:23:00.000-08:002008-03-06T17:23:00.000-08:00Another great post Mikael! Lots of good informatio...Another great post Mikael! Lots of good information even though I probably will never show again. Never know though, my granddaughter may get bitten by the bug! I can't wait to go to the mini horse show next week. I've never been to one so it should be quite an experience. <BR/><BR/>Both pictures are gorgeous!!!!!!!!!Midlife Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03531655128417397650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-52086338441265959112008-03-06T16:41:00.000-08:002008-03-06T16:41:00.000-08:00Thanks for all the info, it proves your never too ...Thanks for all the info, it proves your never too old to learn something new.Grey Horse Mattershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05837575441967937196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-38342633295318902022008-03-06T14:54:00.000-08:002008-03-06T14:54:00.000-08:00Oh he is just beautiful!I've never been to a weste...Oh he is just beautiful!<BR/><BR/>I've never been to a western pleasure show with arabians, but he looks so into his job.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-81760709082010403602008-03-06T14:30:00.000-08:002008-03-06T14:30:00.000-08:00browneyedcowgirls, I so with you on that one. Ther...browneyedcowgirls, I so with you on that one. There's nothing prettier than a horse going softly in any bridle.<BR/><BR/>kathy c, that's kind of how I started off. I knew some and then have gradually learned more along the way. In the beginning I'd didn't know it was legal to adjust the reins on the romel. LOL<BR/><BR/>inkeq, the bay Arabian in the western bridle pictured my himself, is my stallion, Scandalous Legacy. On the top picture that is Dandy (full brother).Rising Rainbowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04239592070775412669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-82134208227421622182008-03-06T10:20:00.000-08:002008-03-06T10:20:00.000-08:00Nice post.BTW do you know who that bay Arab is in ...Nice post.<BR/><BR/>BTW do you know who that bay Arab is in the picture?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-63046939493753158722008-03-06T10:10:00.000-08:002008-03-06T10:10:00.000-08:00Very informative Mikael, thanks.I knew some of the...Very informative Mikael, thanks.<BR/><BR/>I knew some of the information you shared and wondered about others.Kathy Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04057258440763363962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-42834790591620892342008-03-06T09:56:00.000-08:002008-03-06T09:56:00.000-08:00MiKael-another informative post. A correctly bridl...MiKael-another informative post. A correctly bridled horse is a pleasure to watch, irregardless of the dicipline.BrownEyed Cowgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03610547057139295854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-20054221112548876962008-03-06T08:41:00.000-08:002008-03-06T08:41:00.000-08:00jme,most Arabian trainers I am aware of only use t...jme,most Arabian trainers I am aware of only use the bosal for show purposes. The young horse is started in the snaffle, shown in the bosal and then graduates to the curb.<BR/><BR/>As for the jointed curbs, my understanding is their best use is consisdered to be for trail classes. I was told at a trail clinic by a well known trail trainer and judge that the jointed snaffle allows for more flexibility and less confusion for the horse. Because of the joint quality of the bit, pressure can be applied to one side alone making it easier to negotiate some obstacels and avoid a bracing horse. However, I have not worked with my trail horse and this type of mouthpiece yet so I can't really speak to the particulars although having that action similiar to the snaffle on the mouthpiece would seem to support that theory. <BR/><BR/>callie, when it comes to rules these are only the tip of the iceberg. lol However most equipment sold in stores is legal. I believe someone must really go out of their way to find an illegal bit.<BR/><BR/>kris, I think the AQHA and paints rules are much the same except for the ages of what is considered a junior horse. Arabians cannot show under saddle at 2 and I think some other breeds can.Rising Rainbowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04239592070775412669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-7006992404579214272008-03-06T07:11:00.000-08:002008-03-06T07:11:00.000-08:00Very intersting I am learning so much about Arabia...Very intersting I am learning so much about Arabians! You wealth of knowledge you!kdwhorseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07927961715923751666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-60603858745199825622008-03-06T06:34:00.000-08:002008-03-06T06:34:00.000-08:00This is precisly why I couldn't show, I would neve...This is precisly why I couldn't show, I would never remember all the rules.....LOL....And I'm sure laughing stock of show ring!!!!Calliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05704537697611988375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-46315020430859239352008-03-06T06:32:00.000-08:002008-03-06T06:32:00.000-08:00thanks for the informative post! i've always been...thanks for the informative post! i've always been a bit mystified by the rules surrounding western bitting, but it sounds as if it runs along very similar lines with dressage rules and classical practice. <BR/><BR/>there is a lot of prejudice in the english world against curbs (and their cousins, pelhams) to the point where even some dressage riders are beginning to look unfavorably on the double bridle, and i hear natural horsemanship gurus condemn them as well. a lot of people mistakenly presume they are used as brakes for unruly horses or to force a particular head carriage (and sadly, in inexperienced hands, they sometimes are... the curb is a very easy bit to abuse.) many are of the opinion that everything can be accomplished with a snaffle, and i am always amazed at how much yanking and sawing some people are willing to do with a snaffle to prove this, when the lightest of curb action/release can encourage a horse to relax his topline naturally and without force....<BR/><BR/>few english riders today are aware that, classically speaking, a snaffle or cavesson is used for the early stages of a horse's development, and a 'finished' horse always goes in a curb, (usually in combination with a snaffle - the 'full bridle') but i am glad to learn that knowledgeable western riders also follow a similar program of schooling young horses in a snaffle or hackamore, and then progress to the curb (though, do they go directly from hackamore to curb, or use a snaffle in between?)<BR/><BR/>of course, we all cringe when we watch a western movie and some cowboy reins his horse in with a yank of the curb and the horse's eyes bulge, his mouth opens and he nearly flips over, but the occasional misuse shouldn't give curbs a bad name! and, your horses look beautifully relaxed and willing, so there's the proof :-)<BR/><BR/>i do wonder, though, about using the curb WITHOUT a curb strap/chain, and using jointed curbs (though i would probably ONLY use a jointed bit without a curb strap...) as these would be cardinal sins in classical english bitting. is there a particular reason for using these, a type of horse they benefit, or a desired effect?jmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04295140724737185132noreply@blogger.com