tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post387355914770214842..comments2023-10-28T00:51:22.112-07:00Comments on MiKael's Mania - Arabian Horses: The Fork in the Road...........Rising Rainbowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04239592070775412669noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-43506351428128969052011-02-14T11:50:32.638-08:002011-02-14T11:50:32.638-08:00jme, if WF were here, I believe she would tell you...jme, if WF were here, I believe she would tell you her intention by that comment was if BG long lined the horse and I rode it and/or tacked untacked and groomed it, she thought he should be paid the full amount regardless of whether I had done half of the work or sometimes even more. This opinion of hers was not, however, even mentioned until Dec of 2009 after most all of our time working together had passed. Had it been presented as part of the contract, I would never have agreed to it. And who would? I doubt that WF herself would agree to this if she were on the other side of it and being the one working while someone else got paid/compensated for all the work that was being done.Rising Rainbowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04239592070775412669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-58785914988481247902011-02-14T11:28:07.038-08:002011-02-14T11:28:07.038-08:00i'm just catching up, and i admit a bias here ...i'm just catching up, and i admit a bias here because i only know you through your blog and comments, and i don't know anyone else at all. but there was one bit that caught my eye and i just had to respond:<br /><br />"every time he touches a horse, it counts."<br /><br />that's an interesting way to approach a training business, and if that's the case, i've trained a hell of a lot more horses than i ever imagined. <br /><br />in my world, it's customary for most trainers to arrange being paid by the hour, by the session (with clearly defined goals and results laid out beforehand) or even by some finished product (ie, you want your horse to jump through a flaming hoop - i don't get paid until his front feet hit the ground on the other side.) i've never heard contact equated with actual training, unless of course this trainer has the power of touch and can train by osmosis, in which case, you should hang onto him! ;-)<br /><br />am i missing something here?jmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04295140724737185132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-33442951382118229332011-02-13T17:13:46.602-08:002011-02-13T17:13:46.602-08:00Ms Martyr, there are those connected to them readi...Ms Martyr, there are those connected to them reading this blog and my other blog as well. Whether they are reading it first hand or getting information, I don't know. I did get a comment from what some would call a troll. It was on the other blog but made references to what I'm posting here and what a "liar and/or crazy person" I am.Rising Rainbowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04239592070775412669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-84068424237815713092011-02-13T14:07:04.402-08:002011-02-13T14:07:04.402-08:00Just to play devil's advocate I can understand...Just to play devil's advocate I can understand why WF would rush to BG's defense, being his girlfriend and all. Some people are blind to the defects of those they love, until breakup time when all those faults suddenly become glaringly clear. <br />I disagree that your initial comment sounded like an attack on BG. It was just a statement of fact.<br />Are these people really still reading your blog? If so, they will finally be getting, to quote Paul Harvey, "the rest of the story."Ms Martyrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16996078255731307805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-72006741198453430342011-02-13T10:41:30.269-08:002011-02-13T10:41:30.269-08:00dinkleberries, sounds to me like you are also doin...dinkleberries, sounds to me like you are also doing a good job of keeping the facts straight and you are reading between the lines pretty well. <br /><br />Of course, his version of the story will be much different than this and it will all come down to he said, she said and who people chose to believe.Rising Rainbowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04239592070775412669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-35418645025181901702011-02-13T10:03:36.879-08:002011-02-13T10:03:36.879-08:00Oh, I see how twisted this all is, he lets you use...Oh, I see how twisted this all is, he lets you use his facility cause you are "friends", proceeds to flatter you, treat you like a queen and says whatever is necessary to induce you to believe that you all are on the same page on how to handle horses. Doing just enough work to build your trust and confidence. Because you are now ripe for the plucking, he asks for the papers. You are savvy enough to regret signing them when you see the look in his eye. Sure enough, you are no longer "the Queen" but a nearly plucked peach. (he's counting his chicks before they are hatched). <br />Who knows what lies he's told these other women, but he's happy to let them do his dirty work for him, I suspect hoping you will fold, just give up and walk away. He didn't know you have a rod of steel down your back!! And a very powerful dream tempering that steel!!<br />But really Mikael, (heavy sarcasm here)'friends don't charge friends' and he's letting you work N I N E horses at his facility, and he's so very amazing that really I just can't understand why you won't just give him your $30,000 horse?!?!?! <br />So then what? He goes to all this trouble to scam you out of your horse, can't even bother to get him trained properly or to a show, how's Storm going to be worth $30,000 to him? Naw, he'd just talk crap about the horse, you and your breeding program, justifying his bad behavior never taking responsibility. Looks to me like his train ran smack dab into a wall!! . . . named MiKael Caillier!!<br />Good, because I bet he's left a long line of destruction behind him.damaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02013544183482066326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-91222853593601057442011-02-13T10:02:33.075-08:002011-02-13T10:02:33.075-08:00lytha, trying to figure out what they were thinkin...lytha, trying to figure out what they were thinking will probably get more confusing as we go along. All I can tell you is what I know.<br /><br />It sounds to me like you are doing a good job of keeping the facts straight as I have presented them so you have as much to go on at this point as I had.Rising Rainbowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04239592070775412669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-41586183056273446462011-02-13T09:37:03.923-08:002011-02-13T09:37:03.923-08:00i'm confused. did they really think that 5 hor...i'm confused. did they really think that 5 horses were getting worked 5 days a week as agreed? it seems like they are confident about that, but yet admit that things are busy and you should be thankful for what you get (shakes head). the other people who think you didn't appreciate him probably didn't understand the terms of the contract, and the "fee" (storm) which he'd already been paid.<br /><br />to be told to be more understanding because things come up, well he'd already calculated that he would be working for you through 2010, even if things did not come up. <br /><br />and all the while the clock is ticking for getting the horses into the showring.<br /><br />by "touch a horse" i assume he meant lunging or groundwork. but i was under the impression that you were not asking him to help you with legs, but that richard wanted to do it anyway. legs was outside of the realm of the contract because legs was not a youngster becoming greenbroke by richard.lythahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01719586193059362084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-77248770338904193642011-02-13T08:53:12.299-08:002011-02-13T08:53:12.299-08:00Nuzz Muzz, you make a good point. Considering tha...Nuzz Muzz, you make a good point. Considering that some of these horses were not touched at all by BG. This comment was not really about touching. It seemed to be about being on their property. Although I'm sure her argument would be it didn't matter if I had done any of the work, BG would get all the credit. Something I had certainly never agreed to, nor had it even been discussed. I was willing for BG to get credit for the work he had done but certainly not for the work I had done.<br /><br />Linda, sounds like you have a trainer who puts the time in. That's good. There are lots that don't unfortunately.Rising Rainbowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04239592070775412669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-69887057231171982552011-02-13T08:25:18.262-08:002011-02-13T08:25:18.262-08:00If "touching" a horse meant working a ho...If "touching" a horse meant working a horse, none of us would get trained horses at the end of 30-60 days. My trainer never considered it a day on a horse unless she'd groomed it, tacked it, tied it, rode and worked it for at least an hour (unless they went on the trail or to the ranch), tied it back up, unsaddled, washed it off, groomed it again and eventually returned it to its stall after a full day. That was considered ONE ride, even though the horse was being trained in one way or another for five hours or so.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14303523299217618526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-60144726491824714822011-02-13T05:53:26.247-08:002011-02-13T05:53:26.247-08:00I could touch 9 horses in 9 seconds if they were a...I could touch 9 horses in 9 seconds if they were all lined up in stalls. I'm sure your intent was to have your horses benefit from the "touching" so that they were safe to ride. The drunk down the street slapped my horse when he bit him. That qualifies as touching.Nuzzling Muzzleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07649710635013663900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-25140679651958203392011-02-12T20:59:58.005-08:002011-02-12T20:59:58.005-08:00fern, that's pretty much how I felt at the tim...fern, that's pretty much how I felt at the time and it made me wonder what BG asking me to post about those few days of work had been about.Rising Rainbowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04239592070775412669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-40371820707675085372011-02-12T20:24:41.139-08:002011-02-12T20:24:41.139-08:00NIce group! NOT tried and convicted in the court o...NIce group! NOT tried and convicted in the court of public opinion ,my goodness, sounds like WF was spoiling for a fight and had all the details prepared. Next thing she suggested was that Storm was all but paid off , due to the 9 horses he "touched " per day?<br />These people sound more and more like a gang of charlatans and thieves . Rather than use the skills they may or may not have and do the work , they seem to prefer to use "smoke and mirrors" to further their own schemes. I can only hope that you writing about this helps to heal you and possibly warn others about people of this ilkSherry Sikstromhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15739108723318002627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-4446422020616944702011-02-12T20:16:11.697-08:002011-02-12T20:16:11.697-08:00smazourek, thanks, I appreciate the sentiment.
A...smazourek, thanks, I appreciate the sentiment. <br /><br />Arlene, I believe you are right. I felt like I couldn't avoid dealing with the subject. It was not true and to not say anything would look like I agreed.Rising Rainbowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04239592070775412669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-2094448718594835132011-02-12T19:45:35.873-08:002011-02-12T19:45:35.873-08:00Seems like a lot of people who knew nothing of wha...Seems like a lot of people who knew nothing of what was actually going on had a lot of opinions about your business dealings with these two very dishonest people.<br /><br />WF was setting you up in writing mentioning how many horses were worked etc. I'm sure they had something cooking on the back burner and it sure wasn't going to be to your benefit or Storm's. Just my opinion.Grey Horse Mattershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05837575441967937196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053415389447235937.post-6314398732516163412011-02-12T18:50:19.372-08:002011-02-12T18:50:19.372-08:00Since they apparently read this blog I'm going...Since they apparently read this blog I'm going to address this comment to them:<br /><br />Remember that like attracts like, negativity, finger pointing and misunderstandings only beget more of the same. It also makes you look childish and petty.smazourekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03029180368325070266noreply@blogger.com